Clarke Torok recently contacted SurfWatch with some breaking news on a new SL surfing tour and the organization running it, MUST, the Metaverse United Surfers Tour. Clarke is the winner of the December 2007 SL Triple Crown of Surfing - an event many newcomers to the SL surf scene may not be familiar with. SurfWatch sat down with the controversial Clarke to find out exactly what this breaking news was and to get some information on his SL surfing background and history.
SurfWatch: Tell us about the Dec 2007 SL Triple Crown of Surfing.
Clarke Torok: I had the idea kicking around for some time after surfing in several competitions and discussing it with Phelan James, Hedonism Isle owner whom I designed, built and ran the surf sims for, and the late Thor Bishop, may you R.I.P. brother, don't think you are forgotten. I had noticed many things that were very inconsistent and wanted to change them but felt the organization policies though say all members have an equal say, they really don't. So I had enlisted the help from some other very talented people of Action who I had grown close to in SL. Smooth Hammerer, Ashleigh Dickins, VW Sands and a few of the sponsors jumped in to help, as well as sponsor, like Misty Gentil (former Club Genesis) and Radical Twang (Reaction).
SW: Where did the concept of this tour originate?
CT: The SL Triple Crown of Surfing, the TC as we called it, originated from my idea while Smooth, Ashleigh and I were sitting around Smooth's bar at his house. I had brought it up once before while we were discussing other issues with Lazarus Longstaff of the former Heliopolis surfing sims.
CT: The SL Triple Crown of Surfing, the TC as we called it, originated from my idea while Smooth, Ashleigh and I were sitting around Smooth's bar at his house. I had brought it up once before while we were discussing other issues with Lazarus Longstaff of the former Heliopolis surfing sims.
SW: Who won?
CT: The Grand Finale held at Hedonism's Kahuna Beach, home of the fist epic waves in SL, proved to be just that - grand!! In a very heated, though very close fight for the right to be crowned King or Queen of the Crown, between Pieda Allen, Timbo Flanagan, and myself in the final stage of the 3 event series. Pieda and Timbo had both won an event, the Swell Suicide, first event at Hedonism Isle, went to Pieda. Timbo took the Pipe Thrasher at Majini (we asked for a special request of having the epics shut off for that event). I had just surfed very consistently with a 2nd and 3rd place finish. So the final had alot of suspense and lots of pressure. I stayed consistent and finished second in the event to Ashleigh Dickins (who had no factor on the outcome but surfed great) and edged Timbo who finished 3rd. Pieda missed one final round which proved costly to him winning with a 5th place finish.
SW: What board types and waves?
CT: We used epics and pipes which was most common at the time and left boards to HG scripted boards. One event was shortboard, one was long, and one was surf your favorite.
SW: Who were the judges?
CT: VW Sands was the head judge and Sizz Ling was the other but due to the holidays as the event was contested over the first 3 Saturdays between Thanksgiving and Christmas, we had to have a replacement for VW in the final event provided by one of our sponsors for the day. Sheep Cheney replaced VW as judge.
CT: VW Sands was the head judge and Sizz Ling was the other but due to the holidays as the event was contested over the first 3 Saturdays between Thanksgiving and Christmas, we had to have a replacement for VW in the final event provided by one of our sponsors for the day. Sheep Cheney replaced VW as judge.
SW: What kind of scoring system was used?
CT: The scoring system was a best 3 of 5 wave total based on a 1-10 point scale in Round 1 and 2. The final round of each event, the points were doubled for the final 5 surfers at all 3 competitions, so it paid off to make the finals. This gave all surfers 3 total scores which were then added together for the series total. Highest 3 event total became King or Queen of the Crown.
SW: Who participated?
CT: I would love to name everyone but I'm already talking alot, and we have alot more to cover. The TC by the numbers had 66 surfers register, 53 of which surfed in at least one event of the series. 28 surfed all 3. It was not required to surf all 3, but if you wanted to win prize money, you had to surf at least 2, one of which had to be the final.
SW: Why was this event non-SLSA sanctioned?
CT: There was no need to have sanctioning. We had a smaller crew of people who pulled off the highly doubted yet highest spectator total and highest surfer registration and participation yet to be recorded in SL.
SW: What do you mean by, it was the "largest and most open" surf event?
CT: What I mean is just that - there is no need to limit ourselves here or anywhere for that matter, in SL or in RL lives, so why do it? Fear is why. Fear the unknown, fear of change, fear of the new. Any real surfer knows that if you fear what you are doing, you end up a sitting duck in the water. So I set goals for the TC to accomplish. The largest event was one which it was and still rivals the records of any other surfing event. And the best part: we did it between the holidays of Thanksgiving and Christmas, so there was no room for error or not having things ready. I'm a perfectionist and an artist on the water when I surf in RL, so why wouldn't I be here? I also opened the doors for global surfing representation in one event, breaking language barriers at the same time. Another goal was to invite the best surfers from all parts of the globe, and we had a huge influx of Japanese speaking surfers thanks, in part, to the JSLSA and Analog Jun of Analog Surf. I came up with a babbler relay system for the announcements to be made in Japanese as well as English and any other language surfers chose to hear them in. The TC also introduced the electronic scoreboard system as seen to this day at almost every SL surfing competition held.
Most of the concepts, ideas, and a large part of the philosophy of the Triple Crown were later adopted by the SLSA in a key moment where they almost died as an organization by Ashleigh Dickins. She used the knowledge she learned from the TC to make a difference. Yet not to brag about her, but its massive impact in saving the SLSA has brought them the longest lasting surfing organization in SL, though their refusal for enough change and adaptation limited her efforts and still limits them today!
SW: How were you crowned "king" of the SL Triple Crown of Surfing?
CT: I beat the world of SL's best surfers, not just the ones from SLSA or VSA or JSLSA or even the Brazilian Surfing Association, but the best from all of them at the time. And I have a goal of doing it some more. I have yet to retire from surfing in RL or SL and probably will never retire. As long as I can paddle out and pop up on that beautiful board deck and shred some water then ride it out to the beach, I'm in heaven.
SW: Where have you been since that time (Dec 2007)?
CT: I was in RL building up my young company to get it ready to sell.
SW: Why come forward now?
CT: I had kept in close contact with Smooth Hammerer as we have other businesses we are partners in, and he asked me to come back to finish what we set out to do with the TC, which we will also be discussing.
SW: What is the Metaverse United Surfers Tour?
CT: It's all in the name. Most of the questions will be answered in the press release.
SW: Who is a part of that organization?
CT: Anyone who surfs in the metaverse. The metaverse is not just SL. It includes all virtual reality world games such as Legend City, OpenSim and many others and will include everyone within each. Some worlds allow SL link thru for transferring currency in either direction and even same name transfer capabilities. So we didn't want to limit ourselves to just SL when we chose the name. Besides, why set limits when possibilities are endless? It's for the surfers, by the surfers. All group members can create proposals and vote on them. But a proposal is just that - proposed - and a vote doesn't mean it'll fit the "open vision". So if it puts a limit on the future growth potential albeit marketing, competition rules or any other aspect, it will be tossed in the trash no matter what the vote outcome. We are creating a realistic surfing tour much like the ASP and the ISA do, only with less rules and alot more fun thru our progressive formats that will be introduced and tour set up.
SW: Who are the sponsors of this event?
CT: We are still going thru our choosing process from all of the sponsor requests we have been given. We aren't here to chase anyone to sponsor, but if you would like to make a request, please feel free to contact me via IM and drop me a notecard or an email: clarke.torok@gmail.com.
SW: Will this event be sanctioned by the SLSA, VSA, or any of the other established surfing organizations?
CT: I'm not sure how this question makes sense but no (laughs). Are you serious? MUST has no concern with the SLSA or VSA. It is a much bigger thought-out attempt at a larger scale with pure visionary goals in mind. It would serve no purpose to be sanctioned when we are licensed and trademarked. So what exactly would they be sanctioning again?
SW: What are the future plans of this group?
CT: The near future holds the completion of our website being professionally designed as we speak, the sponsor pack deliveries and registration, and the release of our event schedule which will include a sponsor selection showcase at the end of June, date and time TBA (contact C. Torok for more information.)
SW: What exactly is the "tour" going to consist of?
CT: All encompassing, the Metaverse World Tour level surfer competes for money, is sponsored, and they or their sponsor pays their tour annual membership and entry fee. So it pays to surf for sponsorship! And the World Tour Qualifying Series is the free level of competition. Surfers will enjoy the same benefits of world tour surfers for the competition. The only difference is they don't have proposal creation or voting rights since they don't have to be group members for this level of competition, tho it is recommended. They can always upgrade their membership by earning their way in since the top 3 from the WTQS season points total will be given the minimum sponsor contract for the following season in the World Tour.
SW: Who are the officials running the comps and will there be just one venue or several?
CT: It's a world tour, self explanatory. The officials will be a sponsor selected committee, none of which can be or will be surfers.
SW: You referred to new realistic surf boards and waves. Who designed these?
CT: Nothing we are using is new, just something new to competition for years until the SLSA tried it due to, once again, the will of Ashleigh Dickins and the continued barraging from many others who wanted it to happen. The designers from Action Surf & Skate have been creating the most realistic waves and boards in SL. It is their vision to see them be taken into a competition system like this one we have created due to its realism.
SW: What is different about these?
CT: They have realistic attributes, customization for personal riding style and, well, have you ever seen a surf competition where surfers actually touched the water in RL with zero wipeouts? I haven't and, quite frankly, it's impossible to judge people's abilities surfing on a surf board with no margin of error other than bellying due to lag, whether it be from the client (themselves and their pc), the network (their connection), and the server (the sim) when everyone does the same thing on the boards cause they are very limited and only offer a difference of where you trick on the wave. So how do you judge for lag? Well, you can't. So what's next - margin of error? But wait, there is none cause we can't wipe out. Guess what, folks - now you can!
For more information on the Metaverse United Surfers Tour, contact Clarke Torok.
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Comment by Sean Azambuja: "All group members can create proposals and vote on them. But a proposal is just that - proposed - and a vote doesn't mean it'll fit the "open vision." So if it puts a limit on the future growth potential albeit marketing, competition rules or any other aspect, it will be tossed in the trash no matter what the vote outcome..."
Why open a voting system on such issues at all then? Sounds to me the proposed "vision" of Metaverse isn't a democratic "vision" at all. Just sounds like a modified dictatorship.
"Besides, why set limits when possibilities are endless? It's for the surfers, by the surfers."
Oh really? Doesn't sound like that to me..?..?..?
"Yet not to brag about her (Ashliegh Dickins), but its massive impact in saving the SLSA has brought them the longest lasting surfing organization in SL, though their refusal for enough change and adaptation limited her efforts and still limits them today!"
That's funny...we just had another VERY successful surf comp, and SLSA is on its way to welcome Season 2. There were 42 surfers in the prelims. 32 will surf in the finals on June 13th. There were more than 75 surfers surfing at JJLanes and about that many at Chi. The short time I have been with the SLSA, I have seen places for improvement. But I know for a fact they (SLSA) won't "trash" ideas of the surfing community to better promote one group's idea of "open vision". Just my 2c...
For the record (again)......
The VSA is nothing more than a group of surf rats. SL surfers having fun on weekends. Period. We have nothing to do with any "Sanctioning" one way or the other.
The TC and the fact that I bowed out had nothing to do with the "Holidays"
SLSA contests draw 70-80 riders every month. The Surf-Jam series would as well but I can´t handle that many riders, LOL.
The SLSA "and refusal for enough change and adaptation limited her efforts and still limits them today"? The changes this season ALONE have been sweeping, unprecendented and totally successfull.
"The metaverse is not just SL" Indeed this is true but yesterday while on 3rd rock I still could´nt get waves to run and I suspect that the other Open Grid platforms have no waves running either so.....I´m not sure how many "surfers" are using these other platforms.
Hopefully in the near future though :-)
/V
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Sean: I'm not here to argue, just to inform, so you know Democracy and Dictatorships are for politicians which none of us are so lets leave that to them. "Open Vision" is just that there is no one person or a board to determine what happens I see where you have been trained by this in the past it's ok to think that you need it some do. Those who have a mind of their own will understand that if you think there is a limitation in your proposal they will redraft it so it doesn't waste the time of everyone removing the limitation. besides Rules and Regulations are for Lawyers and Judges to dispute and well though some of us are those in RL we aren't that in SL or any other Open Grid environment, so who wants that in the first place, issues such as security, and group abilities were put in place by SL already so use them to their full capabilities rather than further limit yourselves by adding more to the already established. Things like that have been the decline of Democratic ways for years and if you think it's good so be it some people need that I on the other hand don't live in FEAR nor do I react to others, I am a man of Action, I retired from Reaction years ago.
what does it sound like then Sean, why don't you speak your mind we are all adults and can handle it!
I'm not going to make myself more clean than this, "trash" an idea mean go back and redraft it with out the limitation we are not here for trash, we are here for quality...though it doesn't mean we won't listen as a whole rather than set it so only a small handful can listen. once it is proposed and has a good ideas and if it is pointed out by anyone in the whole there is a limitation we will as a whole work on making the good ideas become an unlimited reality. That is how you become United as a whole not a handful!!
VW: for the record once more, I simply answered a question, I fully understand the VSA is a group of surf rats who have fun on weekends and truly enjoy that. Though Sanctioning something means letting someone else come in and force you to conform to their dictatorship That I don't believe in!!
If you would like the IM history of you stating you had to withdraw due to the "Holidays" I can provide it for you VW. So if there was another reason then feel free to share it'll be the first we have heard!!
For the record, I'm not saying the SLSA has not changed things around and have had successes with doing so it's too bad it took them so long to play follow the leader. Actually it's a good thing they did, though they still have their limits and one huge limit they can't get around is their name!!
Working on that future VW, Legend City, OpenSim, and 3rd Rock will be the first we have targeted. We have begun the physics and object testing phase though it's just too bad LSL isn't universal the process would be easy!! :)
I Welcome you all to come by Palm Island and hang out with me anytime, I also make frequent stops around other surf spots in SL and I'll keep you informed of when I find new or exciting ones!!
I don´t need an IM history. I know exactly what I said. The TC was a total clusterfark and the fact that 66 riders signed up and less than half (28 I think you said) stuck it out only verfies that.
I can only assume that this "World Tour" will end up visiting some of the breaks in SL, specifically at least one or two of the 99% that run SSI waves?
Does this "open vision" include HG/SS boards, waves and surfers or is it yet another revival of the age old Action vs. SSI silliness?
I´m not being combative. I just wondered if "It's for the surfers, by the surfers" includes those that still prefer SSI products over Action products?
/V
Honestly, if they think they can do it better, let them. Personally, there is room for everyone. Only time will tell in any event. And it's not as tho we don't already know about Action's reputation as well as Clarke's (for those of us who have been around a while). There is a reason SLSA has been successful. The people and the willingness to grow and adapt to the changes that are inevitable in life both rl and sl. Others have come and gone for one reason or another.
Quote: The officials will be a sponsor selected committee, none of which can be or will be surfers.
My concern with this is that your sponsor will choose who will officiate the comps...officials who can possibly be bought and stacked if the sponsor has a favorite rider. And by the comment about the officials not being surfers, I do hope you mean that they won't be competing that particular day and not non surfers w/in sl. My other concern is only with newer surfers who may not know just how limited this will be unless it is opened beyond Action waves and boards. I hear the complaints way too often about a new surfer who bought a stick from Action, was told they could use it on any surf beach in sl only to find out they can't and wasted thier money. A company that does not practice good customer service and common decency is gonna be a hard one to support in any endeavor.
The TC...I did stay for all of it b/c quite frankly, I was there for VW as well as some who were trying to compete in it, and as someone still fairly new to the comp side of surfing, it wasn't something I wanted to even watch b/c as a spectator I could see it was struggling and as someone in the stands, I was hearing the talk from all around. It was not pretty and I was amazed it didn't get canceled. And for all it's greatness, why has it not been done again?
Quote: CT:....The Grand Finale held at Hedonism's Kahuna Beach, home of the fist epic waves in SL,...
Really? I could have sworn Weather Island was around before Hedonism and Kahuna Beach. Oh wait, it WAS around before Hedonism because the Epic wave was beta tested and released at Weather Island.
Quote: CT: The TC also introduced the electronic scoreboard system as seen to this day at almost every SL surfing competition held.
Again, we had an electronic score system at Chi. Don't believe me? Listen to the introduction of the machima Valent1ne did from the Namiko Chi competition where I clearly point out the score board. I remember Heather setting it up just prior to the competition.
and finally,
Quote: CT: late Thor Bishop, may you R.I.P. brother,
Do NOT refer to him as your brother. Thor could not stand you and I can produce multiple chat logs of hims stating as such. He didn't like you, clarke or trust you for very good reason.
Let me start by getting ganged up on sure no problem, as usual someone with innovative ideas gets hammered!!
VW: Excerpt from your note card-
I will be unavailable next week, not as a result of this weeks event at all, but I have guest´s from out of town coming for a dinner party.
ensuing IM history log- 2007/12/09 13:20] Clarke Torok: Ty for your time and for the use of Bishara and Manjini, your hard work, and dedication to the event! I hope your dinner party goes well
[2007/12/09 13:20] VW Sands: thx, some people I have´nt seen in ages, should be a wine party of rang
[2007/12/09 13:21] Clarke Torok: cool
[2007/12/09 13:21] Clarke Torok: have fun
[2007/12/09 22:22] VW Sands is offline.
So seriously trying to damage my credibility when you all have already kicked it in the dirt with your lies and deceit, means nothing to me, I just hope your brain washing hasn't rubbed off to much on all of the new surfers who don't want your drama!!
Let's just say this the Tour will allow any board you want to surf in all divisions, though if you don't have wipe out mode enabled board you can't surf the World Tour division so the other division is there for you though.
As far as waves, The Action waves allow for the lowest lag and the truest real wave feel so they will be used!!
And VW I'm not even going to start on your biased wife but for the record silent boycotts and protesting doesn't count for what people say try hearing what those not SLSA fixed had to say next time before you speak!!
Sierra: do you even log in anymore....I'll stop now before I get to much into this drama cause it was years ago and I'm done with it, I still have my respect for some even if they didn't want it!
For the clarification Weather was the first with epics Hedo was the first with full sim wide epics I apologize for misstatement!
Oh and Chi was the first with electronic scoreboards would have been great if they worked!! Failed attempts are not counted as completed!!
Ok, after reading through all this and reading through the comments, I have to speak and just say, wow how can anyone look down at another organization that is trying to do something different than your own? MUST has their goals, their priorities just like everyone else. If you don't like it, then surf somewhere else. I'm not running over to SLSA places and on their forums to tell them how much their boards suck. I only need to not pay for their overpriced and outdated crap and end of story.
As for the voting proposal thing is concerned, it is a democratic idea and people who claim it's not needs to take a course in US Government. Just because a bill is passed doesn't mean the judicial board won't say, "Hey, this conflicts with the constitution, good try." Again, it boils down to goals and priorities. If you disagree with it (and Clarke was introduced as controversial), then simply move on. If enough people feel the same way, then it'll fizzle without anyone protesting.
As I said, I don´t need chat logs, I know exactly what was said.
Damage your credibility? You don´t need my help for that Clarke.
My lies and deciet? Your grasping at straws and answering to any further personal attacks are not worth my bandwidth.
So this new "World Tour" is to be run on Action waves. OK.
Nissa (nice mask).....I have absolutely no problems with people trying new things, new organasations forming or new product development. Competition in surfing products is healthy. Another surfing organisation just means more comps and more fun, which I have nothing against ;-)
Never in ANY of my responses have I said anything to the effect of, "to tell them how much their boards suck".
/V
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TY Bobbi for that post. When I said I saw major issues, I didn't go into details altho some of the things I saw were the same things Bobbi saw. The same things many of us saw.
Quote: And VW I'm not even going to start on your biased wife but for the record silent boycotts and protesting doesn't count for what people say try hearing what those not SLSA fixed had to say next time before you speak!!
Not real sure what you mean by silent boycotts and protesting but....
When I posted, it was on my own as well. I have my own mind and can come to my own conclusions but thanks for the profile read :-)
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I am posting this to defend Action. We built this boards because we are RL surfers. If your not an RL surfer you will never realize how realistic they really are. We get bashed by anyone involved with the SLSA, to the point where it borders on harassment. Take all the shots you want guys, Clarke and alot of other surfers in your organization have seen the light. Anybody thinks hg boards are better BRING IT ! We do our talking on the waves not on the beach.
Public Relations Statement: I am not perfect, never claimed to be, I do not judge people, though I am always judged, My ideas and vision is not just my own it is shared by those who can grasp the concept and see the abstract...I speak in the abstract and therefor am either loved or hated, though I love everyone regardless!!
I will defend what I feel is right and stand up to what is wrong and to those who do those wrong doings...what I have seen and how I have been treated has nothing to do with the quality products I seek for those of who understand realisim in SL and the fact that certain things shown to us by SSI are just physically impossible not for lack of anything but for trying to start something which they did accomplish, the era of unrealistic wave crushing tricks is over, I wouldn't be caught in the water trying to pull off a back flip or a helicopter spin it's just physically impossible though has been attempted and to most who have tried a watery grave was their prize, other suffered serious career ending injury!! I have never once stated anyone's products suck, they are what they are, I personally don't like surfing on a curved wall it's just unrealistic but when it was all there was then until something else came out I'll deal with it...Though something has, and it's not the over priced Sunset Waves leo I love you bro but why should anyone pay so much for the HG/ SSI script slightly modified with a sculpted Prim that is insane!!
In defense of those at Action they have done nothing but try to come up with original products that define realism withing the code limits of LSL scripting, I have tested their first boards back in 2007 and saw their potential then, as a matter of fact I have surfed Rob John boards and waves as well and they had some definite realist character back then and were improving due to Robin's continued work! This feud between Action and SSI stops here I'm simply going to say this, I challenge anyone to try any board they want on an Action wave and you will find that even the SSI boards have increased performance...then go get your Action board and if you don't have one get one, come off your high horses and pull $499L out your pocket and try it on any wave you want you will see the noticeable performance difference even on SSI and Sunset they just preform better in my Opinion...Then when you are done trying them all come surf in MUST cause we don't care what board you ride all boards are welcome in the World Tour Qualifying Series!! As for the World Tour lets just hope that the other boards can get a wipe out script in them cause you need it to surf there, that is the difference between a pro and and an amateur,weather you can wipe out or not!! Also amateurs don't accept cash prizes they get extremely nice gifts, so if you want to surf without wipeouts and earn your way to the World Tour go ahead and earn your free rent, cars, boats, houses, and other extravegant lifestyle toys first, then come and pay your Tour Membership and event entry fees like real pros do turn on your wipe outs and lets battle on the water for high dollar cash purses just like the real life pros right down to the sponsor endorsement contracts for wearing their logos appearing in their commercials and other advertisements...You wanted realism you got it's being brought to you by MUST & Action...I'm not saying things will be perfect cause in the past we have had our ups and downs as well in the future but I can promise the feuding and the drama era is done here and now...Shut Up and Surf, prove it on the water!!
Surfing's Bad Boy,
Clarke Torok
I hate this divide. I hate the "us" and "them"!! I will look forward to seeing how the comps work. I surfed the action waves the other day and they rocked (well i did haha)! But that doesn't mean I love the pipes and fluffs any less!! See you in the line up people...on any of the waves and whatever board you are riding!!! Buffy x x
Absolutely Buffy...just like it should be...see you in the water where I come from there are no lines we don't herd cattle we surf!!
lmao...since when did you grow hooves and spots, unless it's a new tat!!
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